| REPLY TO MUNKEREEN-E-HADITH Holding Fast to the Qur'an and Sunnah ![]() ![]() Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 92 :: Hadith 382 Narrated 'Abdullah: The best talk (speech) is Allah's Book 'Quran), and the best way is the way of Muhammad,(pbuh) and the worst matters are the heresies (those new things which are introduced into the religion); and whatever you have been promised will surely come to pass, and you cannot escape (it). | سورة الفرقان | 25 | 63 | وَعِبَادُ الرَّحْمَنِ الَّذِينَ يَمْشُونَ عَلَى الْأَرْضِ هَوْنًا وَإِذَا خَاطَبَهُمُ الْجَاهِلُونَ قَالُوا سَلَامًا | 63. And the slaves of the Most Beneficent (Allâh) are those who walk on the earth in humility and sedateness, and when the foolish address them (with bad words) they reply back with mild words of gentleness {And the slave of Most Merciful walk on earth softly (polite deposition) and with confidence and when they come across Stubborn and disputers (Just debating to spoil faith/belief of Muslims) They respond with Salam (means: sorry we are not allowed to Gossip) ( and depart)} | سورة المؤمنون | 23 | 1 | قَدْ أَفْلَحَ الْمُؤْمِنُونَ | | سورة المؤمنون | 23 | 2 | الَّذِينَ هُمْ فِي صَلَاتِهِمْ خَاشِعُونَ | | سورة المؤمنون | 23 | 3 | وَالَّذِينَ هُمْ عَنِ اللَّغْوِ مُعْرِضُونَ | 1. Successful indeed are the believers. 2. Those who offer their Salât (prayers) with all solemnity and full submissiveness. 3. And those who turn away from Al-Laghw (dirty, false, evil vain talk, falsehood, and all that Allâh has forbidden). | سورة المؤمنون | 23 | 10 | أُوْلَئِكَ هُمُ الْوَارِثُونَ | | سورة المؤمنون | 23 | 11 | الَّذِينَ يَرِثُونَ الْفِرْدَوْسَ هُمْ فِيهَا خَالِدُونَ | 10. These are indeed the inheritors. 11. Who shall inherit the Firdaus (Paradise). They shall dwell therein forever. | سورة الفرقان | 25 | 43 | أَرَأَيْتَ مَنِ اتَّخَذَ إِلَهَهُ هَوَاهُ أَفَأَنتَ تَكُونُ عَلَيْهِ وَكِيلًا | 43. Have you (O Muhammad ![]() ) seen him who has taken as his ilâh (god) his own desire? Would you then be a Wakîl (a disposer of his affairs or a watcher) over him? {IF A PERSON REFUSES TO ACCEPT SUNNAH THEN HE IS FOLLOWING HIS DESIRES AS HIS LORD/S SO O'MESSANGER pbuh WILL YOU PLEAD HIS CASE??? ( ON YAUM-UL-HISAB!!!)} Holding Fast to the Qur'an and Sunnah ![]() ![]() Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 92 :: Hadith 381 Narrated Hudhaifa: Allah's Apostle said to us, "Honesty descended from the Heavens and settled in the roots of the hearts of men (faithful believers), and then the Quran was revealed and the people read the Quran, (and learnt it from it) and also learnt it from the Sunna." Both Quran and Sunna strengthened their (the faithful believers') honesty. (See Hadith No. 208) To make the Heart Tender (Ar-Riqaq) ![]() ![]() Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 76 :: Hadith 436 Narrated Zahdam bin Mudarrib: 'Imran bin Husain said: The Prophet said, "The best people are my contemporaries (i.e., the present (my) generation) and then those who come after them (i.e., the next generation)." Imran added: I am not sure whether the Prophet repeated the statement twice after his first saying. The Prophet added, "And after them there will come people who will bear witness, though they will not be asked to give their witness; and they will be treacherous and nobody will trust them, and they will make vows, but will not fulfill them, and fatness will appear among them." Holding Fast to the Qur'an and Sunnah ![]() ![]() Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 92 :: Hadith 410 Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Amr: I heard the Prophet saying, "Allah will not deprive you of knowledge after he has given it to you, but it will be taken away through the death of the religious learned men with their knowledge. Then there will remain ignorant people who, when consulted, will give verdicts according to their opinions whereby they will mislead others and go astray." To make the Heart Tender (Ar-Riqaq) ![]() ![]() Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 76 :: Hadith 484 Narrated Abu Huraira: Very Important That he heard Allah's Apostle saying, "A slave of Allah may utter a word without thinking whether it is right or wrong, he may slip down in the Fire as far away a distance equal to that between the east." Knowledge ![]() ![]() Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 3 :: Hadith 108 Narrated Anas: The fact which stops me from narrating a great number of Hadiths to you is that the Prophet said: "Whoever tells a lie against me intentionally, then (surely) let him occupy his seat in Hell-fire." | The word "strange" appear 33 time(s) in 28 hadith(s) in Muslim translation. | | (1) It is narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Islam initiated as something strange, and it would revert to its (old position) of being strange. so good tidings for the stranger. (Book #001, Hadith #0270) | | (2) It is narrated on the authority of Ibn 'Umar ('Abdullah b. 'Umar) that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) observed: Verily Islam started as something strange and it would again revert (to its old position) of being strange just as it started, and it would recede between the two mosques just as the serpent crawls back into its hole. (Book #001, Hadith #0271) |
--- On Fri, 5/11/12, Humayun Rasheed <humayunhere@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Humayun Rasheed <humayunhere@yahoo.com>
Subject: Non-Quraanists question.
To Syed Ali
Syed Ali, you believe it is same Quran that revealed and it is word of Allah(s.w.t.) - BECAUSE - all Muslims believe like this. Then why you deny the Sunnah - WHILE - all Muslims believe in it also?
Accepting one thing rejecting other? OR, if your reason of belief in Quran is different, then present it !! Why hesitating?
You will send purpose less emails but will never ever send proof that why you believe in Quran, and same reason not applied to Sunnah.
From: Syed Ali <sabahatca@hotmail.com>
To: Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 8:01 PM
Subject: Non-Quraanists question.
Mulla Jee,"kawwon ke koson se bail nahi marty". All of your brothers and sisters knows that alQuraan is from ALLAH. Only you are in doubt. And inshaaALLAH you will remain in doubt till the day of judgment. Then ALLAH taala will not ask you about the authenticity of HIS Words. HE will just show you your cell.
So, why don't you just prove who you are ??????????? As soon as, you prove us your identity i.e. you are who you are or what you are, then you will not have anymore doubts in Quraan, to be or not to be.
IFFFFF there is anyone else here who does not believe that Quraan is word of ALLAH, then please support your leader Mulla Humayun, P.A. to Shaytaan.
Faded Kaukub,
You don't know if Bukhari was a narrator or not. So, how would you understand the invention of ahadeeth ???????????
Salaam,
Syed Ali,
Muslim
Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 17:26:07 +0300 Subject: Re: Non-Quraanists question. From: rana.humayun.rasheed@gmail.com To: butshikana@gmail.com This 200 years is a lie. Sahih Bukhari was written after 200 years, it is mixed up by these liars that Hadith was written after 200 years.
Brothers and sisters, you know Syed Ali have no proof for his belief that why he believe it is same Quran that revealed and it is word of Allah(s.w.t.). He have no proof, let ask him !! The day he will have proof the same day he will not be able to deny Hadith also. On 11 May 2012 02:46, Kaukab Siddique <butshikana@gmail.com> wrote: Syed Ali "alone" wrote: "history says that the books of ahadeeth were invented after 252AH." Where does history say that dumbo? "Invented?" Mr. "Alone" is out of his mind!
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Syed Ali <sabahatca@hotmail.com> wrote: Dear Non-Quraanists, First of all, let me tell you that I am not a Quraanist. And none of my Muslim brothers and sisters either. We are Muslim and that is more than enough. Now for your real questions, found deep down below, I am taking the liberty of quoting them here with my answers:"WILL THE PEOPLE WHO FOLLOWED HATHEES IN ADDITION TO QURAN SCRUPULOUSLY FROM 610 A.D TO 1950 GO TO HEAVEN OR NOT "
My answer: From the beginning of time to its end, who goes to heaven depends on Faith and deeds according to the will of ALLAH.
My Question to you:
From your another statement, "Prophet started to preach in 610AD" and history says that the books of ahadeeth were invented after 252AH. So, by your token, what happens to the people who were born before the books of ahadeeth ????????????????
Salaam,
Syed Ali,
Muslim.
From: vkamal@etazenath.comTo: bawanyzaheer@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 15:22:40 +0400 Subject: RE: RE: Re: Well-said Zaheer Bhai. Since I sent the question……….. no one has replied I mean none of the AHLE QURANEES. Come on guys AHLE QURANEES……………. Please answer my question …………… With best regards Kamal 
I will not interrupt any more but would like to ask a question:
When was sent Paul borne? was he not against Jesus? then sensing the direction of weather just overturned from his earlier position to say that he had seen Jesus, who advised him (st.Paul) to spread Christianity with full authority of Jesus.
Sent Paul was borne in third century after Disappearance of Jesus.
Hazarat Abu Huriara r.a. was a close companion of the Messenger pbuh means was present in the presence of Rasulullah pbuh and one of the Asha'b-bussfa' and devoted his life to record every moment, deed, and words of Messenger pbuh for guidance of the followers of the Prophet pbuh not only for generation of his time but for the generations upto the end of Muslims from the World.
Holding Fast to the Qur'an and Sunnah
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 92 :: Hadith 384
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "All my followers will enter Paradise except those who refuse." They said, "O Allah's Apostle! Who will refuse?" He said, "Whoever obeys me will enter Paradise, and whoever disobeys me is the one who refuses (to enter it)."
--- On Thu, 5/10/12, Kamal <vkamal@etazenath.com> wrote:
Thanks for your swift reply Ms Seema I request at least ONE AHLE QURANI to give a sensible, rationale and tangible reply to my question (marked in red color below) With best regards Kamal 
One thing I am certain of, that wicked people will not enter Heaven no matter how long their beards or how large their CLAIM of belief.
People will be judged on what they do, Allah knows what is in our hearts and what each of us believe.
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 1:45 PM, Kamal < vkamal@etazenath.com> wrote: To All those who talk about AHLE QURAN PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE QURAN ALONE AND NOT HATHEES Please answer these questions. Our Prophet (Sal) was born in 570 AD Prophet Started Preaching Islaam from 610 A.D and people had started to follow Islaam since then When AHLE QURAN ( GROUP WHICH DOES NOT BELIEVE/ ACCEPT HATHEES) was born…………. LET US ASSUME ( SINCE I DO NOT KNOW THE DATE OF BIRTH OF AHLE QURAN) THAT IT WAS INVENTED IN 1950 SO WHAT WILL BE THE FATE OF THE MUSLEEMS FROM 610 A.D TO 1950 A.D (UNTIL THE INVENTION OF AHLE QURAN) WILL THE PEOPLE WHO FOLLOWED HATHEES IN ADDITION TO QURAN SCRUPULOUSLY FROM 610 A.D TO 1950 GO TO HEAVEN OR NOT With best regards
Kamal
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Sister Seema,
Walykumussalaam wa rehmutullah wa barakatahu.
St. Paul for Christianity is same as AbuHuraira for Hadeethist. Both of them came out of nowhere and became the most informed and the best narrators of the Prophets. They say, 90% of Christianity is based on St. Paul's ahadeeth. And we have found it the same for AbuHuraira.
Now, for the Vahi, it is not limited to the Prophets only except for the description of Islam. Azan is a part of deen today, therefore, it can be called a Vahi in the non-literal way i.e. limited for Deen only. Saying that, in the life of Muhammad elahy salaam two non-prophets received Vahi about such an important part of deen that is practised twice before each salaat!!!!!!
How could one can digest this kind of crap ?????? Almost everybody did.
Hundreds of rituals and believes added to Islam in this manner that spread like cancer in Islam. Only Quraan can cure. If we try.
Salaam,
Syed Ali,
Muslim.
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 11:12:40 +0400 Subject: Re: Additions to completed Islam..... From: seemamanazir@gmail.com "1. Azaan ----- wordings were revealed upon some Hazrat Abdullah bin Zaid bin ibneRabi in dream while partially awake from a man in two piece green cloth ((a typical wahi in short) while Prophet was still alive)).
Note: same dream (wahi) was revealed upon some Hazrat Umr too. But he got late in reporting while putting on clothes partially -- however he knew that Ibne Zaid had the same dream at the same time !!!!!!"
Syed Sahab, Assalam Alaikum,
Neither Hazrat Zaid, not Hazrat Omar could recieve Vahi, because they were not prophets. They were followers of the Prophet Mohammad-PBUH and could not have claimed this. I see a parallel in Christian Saint Pauls dream and the Hadeeth writers were probably inspired by St Paul and how he spread Christianity, based on his dream, and made up these Hadeethes to conquer the world through their religion too in a similar fashion. On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:31 PM, Syed Ali < sabahatca@hotmail.com> wrote: Sister Musarrat, This is an excellent opportunity to have your attention over here, though you have not responded back to any of my comments before. But, still, I have not given up hopes on you, yet. As you have said that "Islam was completed before the death of Muhammad elahy salaam and nothing can be changed outside its perimeters not even by the Sahaba..." (if you do not agree to this translated expression of your statements then please restate in English). Now kindly, stick to only one part of it -- for definite conclusion only -- and define the status of following additions done to Islam by Sahaba, according to your religion of ahadeeth: 1. Azaan ----- wordings were revealed upon some Hazrat Abdullah bin Zaid bin ibneRabi in dream while partially awake from a man in two piece green cloth ((a typical wahi in short) while Prophet was still alive)). Note: same dream (wahi) was revealed upon some Hazrat Umr too. But he got late in reporting while putting on clothes partially -- however he knew that Ibne Zaid had the same dream at the same time !!!!!! Still, more statements were added to azaan after the death of prophet......... 2. Taraweeh.... from 8 to 20 (where salat-ul-taraweh is not proven from Quraan to begin with). 3. There are thousands of additions done to Islam by so-called sahaba, tabaeen, tabatabaeen, and their followers after the death of Muhammad elahy salaam and completion of Islam. How are you going to authorize these bidaat in Islam ?????????? Please stick to your statement before going haywire. JazakALLAH. Kullun biddatun zdalalat wa kullun zdalalatun fin naar ???????? Salaam,Syed Ali, Muslim.
Subject: Re: View of the Hanafi Jurists on Prostration to Other Than Allaah From: javedaslam@mac.comDate: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 13:11:20 -0500 Sister Musarat,
I am puzzled. You state that what I said was not correct, but you didn't offer any counterargument. In fact, I would totally agree with what have said.
Javed Aslam
On Apr 16, 2012, at 12:31 PM, Musarat Jehan wrote:
بھائی جاوید صاحب۔۔ آٌپ نے جن امور کا ذکر فرمایا ہے اولولاامر کے بارے مین وہ درست نہین ہیں، بلکہ اصل مسئلہ یہ ہے کہ ایک گروہ اپنے امام کی تقلید شخصی کو جائز قرار دینے کے لئے اس اتھارٹی کا استعمال کرنا چاہتے ہین کہ انکے امام صاحب جس چیز کو حرام فرما دیں وہ حرام ہے اور جسکو وہ حلال قرار دیں وہ حلال ہو۔ جبکہ حقیقت یہ ہے کہ اللہ تعالیٰ نے اپنے بنی صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم کے علاوہ کسی کی بھی اطاعت کو غیر مشروط قرار نہیں دیا اور نہ ہی اسکی اجازت دی۔ چونکہ نبی صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم معصوم ہیں اور انسے خطا کا سوال پیدا نہیں ہوتا اسلئے انکی اطاعت غیر مشروط ہے اور دوسری وجہ یہ ہے کہ نبی صلی اللہ علیہ سلم کے بارے مین اللہ تعالیٰ نے قرآن میں بہت واضح فرمادیا ہے کہ یہ نبی صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم اپنی طرف سے کچھ نہیں کہتے بلکہ صرف جو وحی کی جاتی ہے اُن پر وہی کہتے ہیبں۔ نبی صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم کے علاوہ کسی میں بھی یہ خصوصیات نہیں اس لئے نبی صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم کے علاوہ کوئی اس قابل نہیں یہاں تک کہ نبی کریم صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم کے صحابہ کرام کو بھی یہ اختیار نہیں دیا گیا کہ وہ جب دین مکمل ہو گیا تو اپسمیں کوئی اضافہ کریں یا کوئی کمی کریں ۔۔ دین نبی صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم کی حیات مبارکہ میں ہی مکمل ہوا جسکے کچھ عرصہ بعد انکی وفات ہوئی اسطرح یہ دین مکمل ہو کر سیل ہوگیا۔ اب جو کچھ قیامت تک ہوگا اس سیل شدہ دین کے پیرامیٹرز کے اندر ہی رہ کر ہوگا اسکے باہر جو کچھہ ہے وہ گمراہی،ضلالت کے سوا کچھ نہیں۔۔۔۔
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