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Wednesday, 23 May 2012

Re: [Yaadein_Meri] Re: Zaheer Bawany, Misconceptions about Taraveeh (In Ramdan)

 

Sub'ha'n-Allah; Masha Allah, Jazak Allah
Brother I agree with you.

--- On Tue, 5/22/12, Farrukh Abidi <farrukhabidi@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Farrukh Abidi <farrukhabidi@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Yaadein_Meri] Re: Zaheer Bawany, Misconceptions about Taraveeh (In Ramdan)
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Date: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 5:59 PM

 

Wa alaikumus salam

Brother! what you have wrote is nothing new.

As you said if we are debating or we are really in search of correct
knowledge.


Whatever Ahadith say about taraweeh or qiyaamul lail, it is define by scholars and they have differnt opinion, whether it is about taraweeh or tahaajjud.

Regardless of their differences, question is what is the correct practice for us? and how
would you know which one is correct???

There is no doubt that at the time of our beloved prophet (Sallallaho alaihi wasallam),
taraaweeh wasn't done all together in one big jamaat, but at the time of Hazrat Umer
(Radhiyallaho anho) found that it would be very beneficial to make it one big jamaat and
20 rakaat.

Question is why do you guys have problem with Hazrat Umer (Radhiyallaho anho), do
you think he made mistake and involve in the biddat????

Also that was not only Umer (Radhiyallaho anho) but all the Sahabah (Radhiyallaho anhum)
who did not have any objection with it.

Do you believe that you guys know more knowledge and you love and care the sunnat
more than Sahabah (Radhiyallaho anhum)????

Brother! this musala is very simple but the people who considered themselves wahabi,
salafi and ahle hadith , made it very complicated for themselves.

Asking and insisting simple Muslims to pray 8 rakaat only is like spreading fitna, and
you should know what Quran says about fitna.........

Spreading fitna is worst than killing.

I ask and request all the brothers to study in detail about the greatness of Sahabah
(Radhiyallaho anhum) and their sacrifice for Islam, their love with prophet (Sallalaho alaihi
wasallam).

Insha Allah you will find out the answer of many confuseble question and fitna spreaded
by some people about 200 years ago.

Farrukh Abidi

--- On Tue, 5/22/12, Zaheer Bawany <bawanyzaheer@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Zaheer Bawany <bawanyzaheer@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Yaadein_Meri] Misconceptions about Taraveeh (In Ramdan)
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Received: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 8:26 AM

 

Assalaam o alaikum:

Brothers and sisters in Islam:

Please let me know if we are debating or we are really in search of correct knowledge.

It would be very appropriate to look at the history of Taraveeh within the time span of  the presence of  Rasulullah pbuh.

The story is very, very simple to which we are painting with our will and we will be answerable to Allah s.w.t.

The history of Taraveeh congregation lead by Rasulullah pbuh is of some of last four days only of His last Ramdhan.

Yesterday I quoted from Bukhari and Muslim and today I repeat:

Praying at Night in Ramadaan (Taraweeh)

Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 32 :: Hadith 229

Narrated 'Urwa:

That he was informed by 'Aisha, "Allah's Apostle went out in the middle of the night and prayed in the mosque and some men prayed behind him. In the morning, the people spoke about it and then a large number of them gathered and prayed behind him (on the second night). In the next morning the people again talked about it and on the third night the mosque was full with a large number of people. Allah's Apostle came out and the people prayed behind him. On the fourth night the Mosque was overwhelmed with people and could not accommodate them, but the Prophet came out (only) for the morning prayer. When the morning prayer was finished he recited Tashah-hud and (addressing the people) said, "Amma ba'du, your presence was not hidden from me but I was afraid lest the night prayer (Qiyam) should be enjoined on you and you might not be able to carry it on." So, Allah's Apostle died and the situation remained like that (i.e. people prayed individually). "

The above Hadith is simple to understand and needs no painting.

The following narration by a sulfii brother/sister goes to the credit of Hanafi scholar who quoted it. & given hereunder:

Praying at Night in Ramadaan (Taraweeh)

Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 32 :: Hadith 230

Narrated Abu Salama bin 'Abdur Rahman:

that he asked 'Aisha "How was the prayer of Allah's Apostle in Ramadan?" She replied, "He did not pray more than eleven Rakat in Ramadan or in any other month. He used to pray four Rakat ---- let alone their beauty and length----and then he would pray four ----let alone their beauty and length ----and then he would pray three Rakat (Witr)." She added, "I asked, 'O Allah's Apostle! Do you sleep before praying the Witr?' He replied, 'O 'Aisha! My eyes sleep but my heart does not sleep."

 

 

He quotes the above hadeeth of Sahi Al Bukhari in which Aisha Radhi Allahu Anha says that the prophet sal Allahu aleyhi wasallam did not pray more than eleven Rakat in Ramadan or in any other month. After quoting this hadeeth he makes some claims to disprove that this hadeeth of Aisha radhi Allahu Anha is about Tahajjud and not Taraweeh. His claims are as follows.

Yesterday I quoted from Bukhari and Muslim and today I repeat:

Praying at Night in Ramadaan (Taraweeh)

Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 32 :: Hadith 229

Narrated 'Urwa:

That he was informed by 'Aisha, "Allah's Apostle went out in the middle of the night and prayed in the mosque and some men prayed behind him. In the morning, the people spoke about it and then a large number of them gathered and prayed behind him (on the second night). In the next morning the people again talked about it and on the third night the mosque was full with a large number of people. Allah's Apostle came out and the people prayed behind him. On the fourth night the Mosque was overwhelmed with people and could not accommodate them, but the Prophet came out (only) for the morning prayer. When the morning prayer was finished he recited Tashah-hud and (addressing the people) said, "Amma ba'du, your presence was not hidden from me but I was afraid lest the night prayer (Qiyam) should be enjoined on you and you might not be able to carry it on." So, Allah's Apostle died and the situation remained like that (i.e. people prayed individually). "

The above Hadith is simple to understand and needs no painting.

The following narration by a sulfii brother/sister goes to the credit of Hanafi scholar who quoted it. & given hereunder:

 

1) Tahajjud was ordained in begining of Islam and taraweeh was prayed in the last ramadan of the prophet's life Sal Allahu aleyhi wasallam.

2) Tarawih is prayed in the begining of the night and tahajjud is prayed in the later part of the night.

3) Tarawih is prayed in congregation and tahajjud is prayed individually.

4) Tarawih was prayed in the Masjid by the prophet mohammad sal Allahu aleyhi wasallam and he prayed tahajjud at home.

5) tarawih is prayed only in ramadan and tahajjud is prayed through out the year.

6) No body does Amal on the hadeeth of Ayesha radhi Allahu Anha As it is bcz the prophet pbuh used to pray 4 and 4 rakaat but tarawih is prayed in 2 and 2 rakaat all over the world.

7) Sahaba made Ijma on 20 Rakaat.

8) The hadeeth of Ali Radhi Allahu Anhu in Musannif ibn Abee Shayba.

Lets start responding to his claims now.

Claim no.1:- Tahajjud was ordained in begining of Islam and taraweeh was prayed in the last ramadan?

Brother: You do not refute the above claim if you do then refer above mentioned  hadith # 229

He made the above mentioned claim in Response to the hadeeth of Aisha Radhi Allahu Anha in Sahi Al Bukhari. This Claim has no proof what so ever. There is not a single Sahi Hadeeth which differentiates between tarawih and Tahajjud and there is not a Single Sahi hadeeth which shows that the Prophet Sal Allahu Aleyhi wasallam prayed Tahajjud and Tarawih Seperately. The hanafi scholar in the video gives proof of tahajjud being “ordained†but he forgot to give proofs of tarawih being “ordainedâ€

Brother the need of separating Tahajjud, Taraweeh and Salat-ul Lail did not arise at that time

And if you are expert then tell me how many raka'ts were offered on the first day of Taraweeh by Messenger pbuh and how many on next day and how many on next day?

& if it was Tahajjud then why Nabi kareem pbuh did not offer on fifth day???.

& who gathered people in Ramadan into congregation? Answer is Hazrat Umar R.A.

& Why Hazrat Umar R.A. said it a bida-e-Hasana.? What is Bida? Is Tahajjud a Bida?

This hadeeth of Aisha Radhi Allahu Anha in Sahi Al Bukhari is one of the Strongest proofs that Tahajjud and Taraweeh are the same prayers. Tahajjud, Tarawih and Qiyaam ul Layl are 3 names of the Same Salaah.

Regarding how many Raka'ts in taraweeh? It is Ijmah of Ummat that it is to be 20 Raka'ts – That is why inspite of all their pressure they can not change the system given by Hazrat Umar Farooq r.a. & Rank of Umar Farooq in Islam is:

Companions of the Prophet

Bukhari :: Book 5 :: Volume 57 :: Hadith 38

Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle said, "Among the nations before you there used to be people who were inspired (though they were not prophets). And if there is any of such a persons amongst my followers, it is 'Umar."

Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "Among the nation of Bani Israel who lived before you, there were men who used to be inspired with guidance though they were not prophets, and if there is any of such persons amongst my followers, it is 'Umar."

It is Ijma and is applicable for Masajid where Taraweeh congrigations are held – 20 Rakats but not compulsory , you may offer 4 or 8 or 12 or 16 or 20

This is my personel opinion that Qur'an Shreef contains 600 Rukus and per day 20 rakat with each raka't one ruku in 30 days will be 600 Rukus and thus full qur'an will be recited in consecutive order.

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