achi baat kahe eik ulima ka tabka bhi hadees se dalaliel deta he dosra bhi dalilel deta he . to bahtar he ke is jhagre me na parha jaye. jso parhtha he imam ke sath us ko parhne diya jaye aur jo imam ke peeche nahi parhtha woh na parhe. issy halat me ALLAH par chor dena chayeh . shukriya
From: aapka Mukhlis <aapka10@yahoo.com>
To: "Yaadein_Meri@yahoogroups.com" <Yaadein_Meri@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Yaadein_Meri] Re: Re: Re: Sabi Mir, Re: Message not approved: Fatih Recitation in Salah
السلام علیکممحترم وہ بھی علماء ہی ہیں جو صحیح احادیث کی رو سے ثابت کرتے ہیں کہ ہرنماز میں سورۃ فاتحہ پڑھنی چاہیے چاہے انفرادی نماز ہو یا امام کے پیچھے۔کیا آپ ان تمام علماء کو جھٹلائیں گے؟ یا آپ صرف ان کو علماء خیال کرتے ہیں جو آپ کے فرقے سے تعلق رکھتے ہیں؟بات ایک خاص موضوع پرہوتی ہے آپ کیوں اس کو ذاتیات پر لے آتے ہیں؟
From: Farrukh Abidi <farrukhabidi@yahoo.com>
To: Yaadein_Meri@yahoogroups.com
Cc: innocentgal_7@yahoo.com; rahimsa@yahoo.com; mfaiz_chishti1@yahoo.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 4:56 AM
Subject: [Yaadein_Meri] Re: Re: Re: Sabi Mir, Re: Message not approved: Fatih Recitation in Salah
Assalamu alaikum
Thourha aour souch kar bataain ke aapko wo hadith kesay mili, ulama ke
zariyay ya Jibrail alaihi salam ke zariyay????
Allah aapko jazaai kher de aapkay khuloos ki, lekin mairay bhaai Allah se
dua karain ke Allah aapko sirf ilm hi nahin balke ilm ka noor ata farmaai.
Aik baat main nay kaafi arsay pehlay aik aalim se suni thi ke jab insaan ye
samajhta rehta hai ke usay nahin pata, tou Allah is kay ilm main izaafah
karta rehta hay, phir jesay hi wo ye samajhnay lagta hai ke usay pata hai,
tou wahan se wo khud hi apnay ilm ka door band kardeta hai.
Isliyay meray bhai ye na samjhain ke dou ya chaar ya chand hadeesay parh
kar aap itnay barhay aalim hogai hain ke moujooda dour ke saaray ulama
ko apnay se kam samajhnay lagay hain.
Main aapko dil ki gheraai se aik nasihat karta hon ke aapka ye samajhna ke
aajkay ulama is qaabil nahin hain ke unsay kuch seekha jai, ye khayaal itna
khatarnaak hay ke jo bhi is main mubtila howa hay uskay eemaan badtareen
tarah se tabah howa hai, iski laakhoun misaalain hain dunya main.
Aour ye masala koi aajkay ualama ka bataya howa nahin hay balke sahabah
Karaam (Radhiyallaho anhum ke zamaanay ka hai ke imam ke peechhay fatiha
parhnay ki zaroorat nahin hai.
Farrukh Abidi
--- On Tue, 5/22/12, Sabi Mir <innocentgal_7@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Sabi Mir <innocentgal_7@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Yaadein_Meri] Re: Re: Sabi Mir, Re: Message not approved: Fatih Recitation in Salah
To: "Yaadein_Meri@yahoogroups.com" <Yaadein_Meri@yahoogroups.com>
Received: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 5:23 PM
Jb hamary pyaray nabi ny keh diya hy k surah fatiha k bagair namaz complete ni hy to kisi ulma ki baat q sunyn hum, or wesy b ajj kal jo ulma hyn sirf naam k hyn. Or abb jo apko theekh lgta hy wo kryn, hamara farz tha smjhana, apki marzi amal kryn ya nahi. Sent from my iPad32 3GOn May 22, 2012, at 9:55 PM, Farrukh Abidi <farrukhabidi@yahoo.com> wrote:=
Assalaamu alaikum
Ye hi baat tou main pooch raha houn ke aap ko kesay pataa ke right way to pray is to
recite Surah Fatiha behind iman.
Jabke aapko fiqa and stuff nahin aata??
Aamir Aleem se pehlay bohout barhay barhay ulama likh chukay hain ke imam ke peechhay
sura fatiha parhnay ki zaroorat nain hai.
Tou ab main Brother Aamir Aleem ki baat manoun ya ulama ki??????????
Farrukh Abidi
--- On Tue, 5/22/12, Sabi S <innocentgal_7@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Sabi S <innocentgal_7@yahoo.com>
To: "Yaadein_Meri@yahoogroups.com" <Yaadein_Meri@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Yaadein_Meri] Re: Sabi Mir, Re: Message not approved: Fatih Recitation in SalahWalikum as salamLook i am not giving any fatwa, i am not saying they are not muslims who dnt recite Surah Fatiha. Only ALLAH knows who is Muslim who z not. I am just saying the right way to pray is to recite Surah Fatiha behind iman and when U r praying alone. And i think apny Amer Aleem ki mail nahi read kiALLAH'S RESPONSE TO THE BELIEVERS............
isko read kryn gy to apko khud jawab mil jy ga.Sent from my iPad32 3GOn May 22, 2012, at 2:39 AM, Farrukh Abidi <farrukhabidi@yahoo.com> wrote:
--- On Mon, 5/21/12, Sabi Mir <innocentgal_7@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Sabi Mir <innocentgal_7@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Yaadein_Meri] Re: Message not approved: Fatih Recitation in Salah
To: "Yaadein_Meri@yahoogroups.com" <Yaadein_Meri@yahoogroups.com>
Received: Monday, May 21, 2012, 6:33 AM
Dekhyn asay galat info ni dyni chai hy.surah Fatiha k bagair namaz complete ni hoti.I dnt knw about any fiqa and stuff. I knw i am a Muslim nd Muslim should recite Surah Fatiha in every rakah, even when he is pyaring behind imam or alone. Sent from my iPad32 3GOn May 21, 2012, at 10:01 AM, Mian Faiz <mfaiz_chishti1@yahoo.com> wrote:=Ager app alag namaz perh rahay hain to phir apko surrah fateh perhni hogi. Imam ki iqtada main jo imam ki kirat he wohi muqtadi ki whannahin perhna.From: Zaheer Bawany <bawanyzaheer@yahoo.com>
To: Syed Rahim <rahimsa@yahoo.com>; Simple-Islam Yahoo Groups <simple-islam@yahoogroups.com>; Yaadein_Meri Yahoo Groups <yaadein_meri@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 3:24 AM
Subject: [Yaadein_Meri] Re: Message not approved: Fatih Recitation in Salah
--- On Sat, 5/19/12, Syed Rahim <rahimsa@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Syed Rahim <rahimsa@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Message not approved: Fatih Recitation in Salah
To: "bawanyzaheer" <bawanyzaheer@yahoo.com>
Date: Saturday, May 19, 2012, 12:52 AM
As received in messageFrom: bawanyzaheer <bawanyzaheer@yahoo.com>> > > > Recitation of Fatiha in Salah > By Mufti Shafiq Jakhura (Darul Ihsan Centre) > >  > ________________________________ > > Q. > I follow Imam Abu Hanifa. When I pray fard salah behind any imam I do not recite surah Fatiha, but my friends who follow other imams do. They told me one hadith of Prophet Muhammed said "One who does not recite surah Fatiha his salah is incomplete". So please tell me why we don’t recite surah Fatiha. > > ________________________________ > > A. The difference of opinion that is found among the imams of Fiqh is based upon, among other things, a difference in the principles that each of the imam's have in deducing rulings from the sources of Sharia. Similarly the method of interpretation of a hadith results in different rulings being deduced. This is not objectionable and such differences in interpretation of the words of Rasulullah even existed among the Companions (R.A.) which were not objected to by Rasulullah . > With regards to the Fatiha in salah, whereas there is a hadith that states that the salah of a person who does not recite surah Fatiha in his salah is invalid, there is also another hadith that states that when a person performs his prayer behind an imam then the recitation of surah Fatiha of the imam is sufficient for him. The Hanafi scholars rule that a follower should not recite surah Fatiha based on the latter hadith and other similar verses or narrations that indicate towards this. The difference of opinion that exists with regards to raising one’s hands before ruku is also based on similar narrations that are found in the books of hadith. > In a nut shell, each of the four schools has the proofs of their rulings and we should follow the school of fiqh that we belong to, without engaging in debates about these matters with those of a different school. > And Allah Ta'ala Knows Best
To: Syed Rahim <rahimsa@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 10:41 AM
Subject: Message not approved: Fatih Recitation in Salah
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