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Wednesday, 1 August 2012

Re: [Yaadein_Meri] کیا آپ جانتے ہیں ؟؟؟

 

خود کیوں  نہیں ترجمہ کرتے؟؟؟؟

From: john_shams <john_shams22@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2012 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Yaadein_Meri] کیا آپ جانتے ہیں ؟؟؟

 
میں گروپ کے تمام لوگوں سے یہ گزارس کرونگا جو عربی پر عبور رکھتے ہیں اور جنہیں حدیثوں کو انکے عربی متن کے مطابق واضح میں عبور حاصل ہے کہ نیچے دی گئی حدیث میں عربی کے کونسے الفاظوں سے یہ بات کہی جا سکتی ہے کہ اللہ کے نبی نے عورتوں کو عید کی نماز پڑھنے کے لیے کہا؟

کچھ لوگ حدیثوں میں اپنی طرف سے تحریف کرکے حدیثوں کو یہاں پیش کر رہے ہیں اور اللہ کے نبی پر بہتان باندھ رہے ہیں۔ ایس یہ لوگ نہ تو عربی زبان سے واقف ہیں نہ ہیں انہی احادیث بیان کرنے کے اداب معلوم ہیں بس انگریزی میں کچھ کا کچھ ترجمہ کیا اور پوسٹ کر دی۔ جس طرح اس حدیث کا اردو ترجمہ بیان کیا اور اپنی طرف سے ان الفااظوں کا اضافہ کر دیا

"ہم عورتوں کو بھی نماز عید پڑھنے کے لیے عید گآہ کی طرف جانے کا حکم دیا" 


گروپ کے تمام افراد اس نوید سے پوچھے کہ یہ الفاظ اس مردود نے کہاں سے لئے اور کیوں یہ بہتان اللہ کے نبی پر گڑھا۔

جو لوگ نوید ک وفادار کتے ہیں وہ لوگ اس کی اس بات کو چھپا کر مجھے ہی غلط ٹہرا رہے ہیں لیکن ذلیلوں کمینوں تم کتنی ہی کشش کر لو حدیثوں میں تحفیف کرنے کی خدا تم کو اس دنیا میں اور آخرت میں زرور ننگا کرے گا ۔



 




From: Mian Faiz Chishti <mianfaizmuhammad_chishti@hotmail.com>
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Sent: Monday, 30 July 2012 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Yaadein_Meri] کیا آپ جانتے ہیں ؟؟؟

Asslamu Alaikum WRWB,
 
Mairi guzarish he tamam group membrans se jo dalael hon dairaye akhlaq ke ander hona chaheay halki phulki chashni ka koi mozaeqa nahin lakin gali galooch zaib nahin daiti.
Shukria
BisMillah-ir-Rahmaan-Nir-Raheem
La'anatullah-e-Alal Kazibeen
Tum John ho ya Shams,,, Musalman ho ya Eesai,,, Salam maen nahen keh sakta ke taira naam hee Mashkook ha.
Aik to taira naam hee Eesayon jaisa ha "John",,, kabi kissi Musalman ka naam kissi nay suna ho, ke "John" rakha ho,,, phir doosra Jahil bhee ha,,, jab Hadith ka tum koi llm hee nahen ha,,, to fazool ki yawa goi ka kaya maqsad… Yeh Lay parh,, chand Ahadith:
Fiqh-us-Sunnah Fiqh 2.147
The prayers of the two Eids was prescribed in the first year after the migration. The Messenger of Allah (saws) ordered the (believing) men and women to go out to attend them.
Fiqh-us-Sunnah Fiqh 2.148a
The Messenger of Allah (saws) guided women and children to go out and attend the two Eid prayers. This includes married, single, young, old, or menstruating women.
Umm 'Atiyah reports: "We were ordered to go out with the single and menstruating women to the two Eids in order to witness the good and the supplications of the Muslims. The menstruating women would be separate from the others."
Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.
Ibn Abbas says that the Prophet (saws) would take his wives and daughters to the two 'ids.
Related by Ibn-Majah and al-Baihaqi.
Ibn 'Abbas reports: "I went out with the Prophet (saws) on the day of breaking the fast (Eidul-Fitr) or of the sacrifice (Eidul-Adha), and he (saws) prayed and gave a sermon, and then he (saws) went to the women and admonished them, reminded them of Allah, and ordered them to give charity."
Related by al-Bukhari.
The Messenger of Allah (saws) guided and commanded the believing men, women and children to attend the Eid congregation, including women who were married, single, young, or old, menstruating or non-menstruating.  The non- menstruating women should offer the Eid prayers in congregation and listen to the sermon proceeding it, while the menstruating women should abstain from offering the Eid prayer and then listen to the Eid sermon.
Sahih Bukhari Chapter No: 6, Menstrual Periods
Hadith no: 301
Narrated: Abu Said Al-Khudri
Once Allah's Apostle went out to the Musalla (to offer the Prayer) o 'Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr Prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, "O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)." They asked, "Why is it so, O Allah's Apostle ?" He replied, "You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you." The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her religion."
Sahih Bukhari Chapter No: 24, Obligatory Charity Tax (Zakat)
Hadith no: 511
Narrated: Ibn Abbas
The Prophet went out for the Eid Prayer on the Eidd day and offered a two Rakat Prayer; and he neither offered a Prayer before it or after it. Then he went towards the women along with Bilal. He preached them and ordered them to give in charity. And some (amongst the women) started giving their fore-arm bangles and earings.
Sahih Bukhari Chapter No: 8, Prayers (Salat)
Hadith no: 347
Narrated: Um-Atiya
We were ordered to bring out our menstruating women and veiled women in the religious gatherings and invocation of Muslims on the two 'Id festivals. These menstruating women were to keep away from their Musalla. A woman asked, "O Allah's Apostle ' What about one who does not have a veil?" He said, "Let her share the veil of her companion."
Sahih Bukhari Chapter No: 24, Obligatory Charity Tax (Zakat)
Hadith no: 541
Narrated: Abu Said Al-Khudri
On Eid ul Fitr or Eid ul Adha Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) went out to the Musalla. After finishing the Prayer, he delivered the sermon and ordered the people to give alms. He said, "O people! Give alms." Then he went towards the women and said. "O women! Give alms, for I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-Fire were you (women)." The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is the reason for it?" He replied, "O women! You curse frequently, and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. O women, some of you can lead a cautious wise man astray." Then he left. And when he reached his house, Zainab, the wife of Ibn Masud, came and asked permission to enter It was said, "O Allah's Apostle! It is Zainab." He asked, 'Which Zainab?" The reply was that she was the wife of Ibn Masud. He said, "Yes, allow her to enter." And she was admitted. Then she said, "O Prophet of Allah! Today you ordered people to give alms and I had an ornament and intended to give it as alms, but Ibn Masud said that he and his children deserved it more than anybody else." The Prophet replied, "Ibn Masud had spoken the truth. Your husband and your children had more right to it than anybody else."
Sahih Bukhari Chapter No: 15, The Two Festivals (Eids)
Hadith no: 94
Narrated: Abdur Rahman bin Abis
Ibn Abbas was asked whether he had joined the Prophet in the Eid Prayer. He said, "Yes. And I could not have joined him had I not been young. (The Prophet came out) till he reached the mark which was near the house of Kathir bin As-Salt, offered the Prayer, delivered the Khutba and then went towards the women. Bilal was accompanying him. He preached to them and advised them and ordered them to give alms. I saw the women putting their ornaments with their outstretched hands into Bilal's garment. Then the Prophet along with Bilal returned home.
Sahih Bukhari Chapter No: 15, The Two Festivals (Eids)
Hadith no: 95
Narrated: Ibn Juraij
Ata told me that he had heard Jabir bin Abdullah saying, "The Prophet stood up to offer the Prayer of the Eid ul Fitr. He first offered the Prayer and then delivered the Khutba. After finishing it he got down (from the pulpit) and went towards the women and advised them while he was leaning on Bilal's hand. Bilal was spreading out his garment where the women were putting their alms." I asked Ata whether it was the Zakat of Eid ul Fitr. He said, "No, it was just alms given at that time. Some lady put her finger ring and the others would do the same." I said, (to Ata), "Do you think that it is incumbent upon the Imam to give advice to the women (on Eid day)?" He said, "No doubt, it is incumbent upon the Imams to do so and why should they not do so?" Al-Hasan bin Muslim told me that Ibn Abbas had said, "I join the Prophet, Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman in the Eid ul Fitr Prayers. They used to offer the Prayer before the Khutba and then they used to deliver the Khutba afterwards. Once the Prophet I came out (for the Eid Prayer) as if I were just observing him waving to the people to sit down. He, then accompanied by Bilal, came crossing the rows till he reached the women. He recited the following verse: 'O Prophet! When the believing women come to you to take the oath of fealty to you . . . (to the end of the verse) (60.12).' After finishing the recitation he said, "O ladies! Are you fulfilling your covenant?" None except one woman said, "Yes." Hasan did not know who was that woman. The Prophet said, "Then give alms." Bilal spread his garment and said, "Keep on giving alms. Let my father and mother sacrifice their lives for you (ladies)." So the ladies kept on putting their Fatkhs (big rings) and other kinds of rings in Bilal's garment." Abdur-Razaq said, " 'Fatkhs' is a big ring which used to be worn in the (Pre-lslamic) period of ignorance.
Kaya abb bhee kutch samajh maen aaya ya nahen???
(and Allah (Subhana Wa Ta'alla knows best)
Wama Elaena Illal Balaagh
KhShaikh

2012/7/29 john_shams <john_shams22@yahoo.com>
 
کم بخت مرددو نوید خدا غارت کرے تجھے اور تیری سوچ کو عربی میں کہیں بھی ایسا نہیں لکھا ہے جس کی وجہ سے تو یہ کہ سکے کہ اللہ کے نبی (صلی) نے عورتوں کو عید کی نماز کے لیے عید گاہ جانے کا حکم دیا تھا۔ تو مجھے ترجمہ پڑھا رہا ہے جو غلط ہے۔ ترجمہ میں اپنی طرف سے یہ بات "ہم عورتوں کو بھی نمازعید پڑھے کے لیے عید گاہ جانے کا حکم دیا" لکھی گئيی ہے۔ اب اگر تو عربی جانتا ہے تو مجھے بتا کہ پوری حدیث میں وہ کونسے الفاظ ہیں جس کی بنیاد پر تو بحث کر رہا ہے اور تو لوگوں کو گمراہ کر رہا ہے۔ تجھ پر اللہ اور اس کے فرشتوں کی لعنت ہو، خدا ذلیل کرے تجھے دنیا اور آخرت دونوں میں،کیوں کے تو پیارے نبی پر بہتادن باندھ رہا ہے اور وہ بھی جاہل ہونے کی بنیاد پر۔
اے اللہ یہ مردود نوید شیطان کا پجاری تیرے نبی پر بہتان باندھ رہا ہے اور تو خاموش بیٹھا ہے
اے اللہ یہ ذلیل وھابی اہل حدیث تیرے نبی کی باتوں میں اپنے الفاظ شامل کرکے تیرے نبی کی امت کو گمراہ کر رہے ہیں
اے اللہ اس مردود نوید کو وسوسوں سے تمام امت کی حفاظت فرما اس کو ذلیل کر دنیا میں، اس کی اولاد میں ایسے لوگوں کو پیدا کر جو مرنے کے بعد اس پر لعنت کریں۔ اے اللہ جنت کی خوشنودی اس پر حرام کر دے کیونکہ یہ تیرے نبی پر بہتان باند رہا ہے۔
 
 
 
 
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To: Yaadein_Meri@yahoogroups.com; rahehidayat@yahoogroups.com; adeenrocks@yahoo.com; to_know_about_islam@yahoogroups.com; mujeeb_majji@yahoo.com; tafhussain1999@gmail.com; aiysha_businesspoint@yahoo.com
From: naveedahm44@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 03:34:22 -0700
Subject: Re: [Yaadein_Meri] کیا آپ جانتے ہیں ؟؟؟

 
 
jhon shams main ap ka gussa or bharakana samjh gia is liay yeh post bhej raha hoon baray mehrbani gair janib dar ho ker kisi bhi alim sya is ki tasdeeq zaror karna reference pehlay bhi dia hai ab bhi day raha hoon or baray mehrbani is tarah ki zuban istamal ker ke apny rozy ka ajar kam na karain ALLAH hidayat or samjhny ki tufeeq day ameen mery bahi mujhay bhi batana ke nabi saww per kahan bohtan hai take main bhi tasdeeq ker sakoon
ap jis maktaba e fiker say taaluq rakhtay hain kia wo yeh nai batata ke kisi say bhi bat kerny ka andaza kaisa hona chahiay ??? kia ikhalakiat ka dars nai dia jata ?? kia ALLAH ke nabi saww is tarah say mukhatib huwa kerty they ???

 
 
 
او کم بخب مردود حدیثوں کو اپنے الفاظوں میں بیان کرکے کیون لوگوں کو گمراہ کر رہا ہے۔ کیا تجھے اللہ کے عذاب سے ڈر نہیں لگتا کیا تجھے نہیں معلوم کہ تو اللہ کے نبی پر بہتان باندھ رہا ہے۔ جاہل اس حدیث کو پڑھ اور بار بار پڑھ اور دیکھ کہ اللہ کے نبی نے کیا حکم دیا۔ جو کام یہودی اور نصاری نہیں کر سکے تو کر رہا ہے ٹھیک ہے اللہ نے تجھے اگر مسلمانوں کو گمراہ کرنے کے لیے پیدا کیا ہے تو کوئی بات نہیں یہ تو تیرا فرض ہے کہ تو اپنا شیاطانی کام کرے۔
حدیث میں لکھا ہے
امرنا ان نخرج الحیض"
 
تونے اپنی طرف سے نماز کا حکم لگا دیا؟



From: Naveed Ahmed <naveedahm44@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, 25 July 2012 1:56 PM
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